World's first audio tests for new C456 and Fox tapes

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Will you trust on this C456 tape or any future upgrade that they announce? (14 days)

Poll closed Mar 8, 2019.
  1. Sure!

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  2. I have to see some testings before

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  3. Nope.

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  4. I'll try them myself and then see.

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  1. walkman archive

    walkman archive Administrator Staff Member

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    After receiving both new tapes from my friends at Cassette Comeback I've started to briefly test the tapes. It's not a thorough review but there's the main question: how well -or not- do they perform? Let's check it out.



    NAC's Ferromaster C456

    Well, here's the long-awaited new tape. They've been announcing that they were preparing to make it since almost two years and finally here it is.

    New NAC Ferromaster C456 02.jpg New NAC Ferromaster C456 03.jpg

    New NAC Ferromaster C456 04.jpg

    As I pointed out in the last post, I'm not impressed at all, but annoyed of the scratches and lack of a proper case. But let's look at the very tape.

    New NAC Ferromaster C456 06.jpg

    Well, at first sight it doesn't look like the extraordinary tape it's supposed to be, because I can see some rails on it...

    New NAC Ferromaster C456 06 2.jpg

    Yes, here they are. Rails. And the tape doesn't look very plain. There's something that it doesn't look good there. Let's look at the performance. I've choose my trusty (and profesionally-calibrated) TEAC V-8030S for the testing:

    TEAC deck V-8030S 13.jpg

    So I started DSSF3 and measured a sweep at -20dB with both bias knobs at 0, so we can see how well -or bad- does it perform in a standard deck with no calibration facilities at all (the most common by far, BTW):

    NAC new tape TEAC 8030 Bias 0 edit.png
    As you can see, the response is not flat at all. There's a loss of about 4dB between the low and midrange and the highs. Worst of all is that this loss starts well early between 1-2 kHz so ALL the treble and even some mids are affected.
    This means that even considering that most of all, tape fans, are well above the age of 40 and can't hear above 15kHz, will hear the lack of treble in the Ferromaster when recorded in a standard deck or a D6C. Not like other good old tapes, where the effect is usually present above 10 kHz so the effect is much lower. But it's not the case.

    If I adjust the bias at -40% like this:

    New NAC tape in TEAC 8030 bias -40.jpg

    Then the response is this:

    NAC new tape TEAC 8030 Bias -4 edit.png

    Not that bad, but not impressive at all. There are lots of peaks and valleys that make me think that there is a big problem with uniformity. And that remembers me the rails.

    Also, when playing the tape without being recorded at all, plus adding Dolby C or S there are clear noises in the background. Something is not good in this tape.

    So, is this really an 'ultra-high performance Type I oxide delivers the highest signal-to-noise ratio (head room) ever achieved by a ferric cassette tape'. Well, I haven't measured the S/N ratio yet but with those noises I don't think they are even close to match that statement. Frankly, this is not exactly what I was expecting for this.



    Recording the Masters' FOX

    Here I have the final release of a tape I've already tested several months ago. Let's see if it's as good as it was or they have made some changes.

    New RTM Fox final release 01.jpg New RTM Fox final release 02.jpg

    New RTM Fox final release 03.jpg

    Let's look at the very magnetic tape:

    New RTM Fox final release 05.jpg

    It looks fine. Let's look closer:

    New RTM Fox final release 05 2.jpg

    It looks way more polished than the Ferromaster, definitely.

    The testing deck is the same: my TEAC V-8030S. After measuring with DSSF3, I found the optimal bias setting at about +40%.

    New RTM Fox in TEAC 8030.jpg

    Yes, it's 40% again, but this time is positive, not negative as with the C456.

    RTM Fox Sweep -20dB Bias +4 edit.png
    The frequency response of the new Fox is close to perfection in my TEAC 8030S.
    Not only the response curve is very flat, but it needed more bias than the prerelease, what makes me think that they have improved the formula so the tape needs a more powerful deck to record it, like in good tapes. it also makes it more resistant to residual magnetic fields that can erase it.

    Regarding the background noise, it seems more or less the same than the C456 but there are no strange noises, even with Dolby C/S. So the uniformity is way better.

    I'd like to read some words from NAC regarding the performance of their new tape to see what's happening (a bad new batch?) but as of today, the Fox is a way better choice in any aspect. Well done, guys!

    So, now the big question: will you trust on any NAC future tape? (or C456 upgrade) POLL
     

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    I like this review, I don’t have the ability to test response on tapes so it’s very useful data to have!

    I think NAC will be fine, this can’t be the final result. A very big issue for me is cost, the Fox is well priced but it’s more expensive than the type 1 of almost any brand. So, if I was pushed to make a budget choice I’d find a type 1 or even 2 of old stock for less - and for a Walkman or rushing around mix tape I can buy old unsealed sa-90, maxell UR or whatever for pocket change. That said the Fox is really great sounding so perhaps they will be for the special tape
     
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    If they are going to release a 2nd generation of their tape (and it will be of the promised quality), why didn't they clearly stated that the 1st gen is not the [excellent] tape it's supposed to be?
    Are they liying to their customers?
    That's what I'm asking myself now...
     
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    I would think it would take a while to dial in the formulations and production. Today's market is so small compared to the 70's when they had full size factories cranking tape out and wasted tape wasn't a big deal. It will take some time to get it where they want it to be.
     
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    Great info, thanks for doing this!!!
    I do not believe NAC team has the same funds to improve the formulation as Sony, TDK, Maxell,... had at their time.

    Plus, they are already saying:
    FerroMaster C456™ is a high-performance type 1 cassette tape made in the USA with the finest magnetic recording oxide ever discovered. [I say: discovered by whom?] It delivers the high output and frequency response previously available only in the best type II tapes. [I say: WOW!!!]
    FerroMaster C456™ features a signal-to-noise ratio (head room) far surpassing any other ferric cassette tape while providing deep, mellow bass, warm mid-range, and crystal clear high frequencies.

    Why would anyone improve on "perfection"?

    Still a fine effort, targeted (I feel) at the recording studios. Probably C546 is better than some old prerecorded cassettes: I had a few which were beyond horrible

    Anyway, now that I am sloowly restoring my lost collection, I buy Type-I Maxells available from Amazon, and second-hand XLII/XLII-S off eBay. Once I get an extra $50 I will get two-three UX-Pro or one MetalMaster, not a box of these
     
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