This is a topic that has a life of it's own and probably always will, seems comments are plenty when it comes to the prices asked and paid for boomboxes. I have played as much a part as most in the sticker shock statements when a boombox is bought or sold at what seems like outrageous prices. Of course no harm is intended to the buyer or the seller although it can make for an entertaining thread. Unfortunately I think some here have been offended even to the point of not posting anymore.

Since completely halting comments about prices is not likely to happen, and frankly I don't think it should stop, it seems a better understanding and thicker skin might be in order. I really feel that injecting humor and making light of the whole situation is all that is needed by either side to keep any of these threads from developing into a bashing by anybody.

Remember we're all in this together for the pure pleasure of it and with a few exceptions everybody treats it that way so let's have fun and not take comments so personally.

Amen, Don!

too

Yeah... I could care less if someone thinks that $821.11 + $40 shipping is too much for my mint JVC PC-6. I am happy. And at least ONE other person on the planet though it was worth $811.11 + $40 shipping. I was bidding against SOMEONE who agreed with me.


And you can't beat out of me how much my ACTUAL bid was on that sucka....

with all of the above!

http://stereo2go.com/eve/forum...=207106501#207106501

-gsbadbmr

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAP...=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=027
Any opinion?

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Originally posted by bogdan:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAP...=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=027
Any opinion?

Um, I've seen much crazier than that by my tightwad standards.

quote:

I have played as much a part as most in the sticker shock statements

Count me in on that too Don By MY own modest standards, I paid my limit for what I feel is a 'Must Have' (To own one sooner or later). Now, I'm putting myself on a BBX diet for a while. We are all hobbyists for sure.

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We are all hobbyists for sure.

Adam I've paid more than I care to admit a few times, I think a lot of us have. Sometimes we bend our greed rules just a little to get what we want and that's okay however, admitting it to the rest might be different story.

hey MB --i would like to agree with ALL you said in your first post --
particulary, since we are both such agreeable folks --

where we differ is this :

i think the next time any member is first or second or fiftieth ( 50th)
to 'discover' that some new seller or greedy seller or 'whatver'

has listed a very high price for his/her ebay item --

that member could show a little class/decency and NOT post anything about it EVER !!!

ie -- leave it the fk ALONE !!

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here is why --
in my most humble opinion --]
its friggen ridiculous to use/abuse the otherwise very cool/smart/interesting s2g site --
in order to make threads and posts that serve NO other purpose than to make fun of sellers, buyers and/or their boxes --

like WHAT FOR !!????

some may use the BS cover -- that these posts are 'helpful' to new members --who may have overpaid ??? were it not for this "HEADS-UP"

like some member who is smart enough to have earned and SAVED $1000 -- is really gonna blow it on a 2006 Coby headphone set !!

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anyway --to me -- lots of things are funny --
but making fun of ebay prices and the sellers buyers is not very funny at all

RIGHT ???

also -- the seller/buyer is very often one of US !!

and finally - Jens has asked several times to NOT make any public site posts about ongoing ebay auctions --

fair enough ??

http://stereo2go.com/eve/forum...6054064/m/2711024045

%100 with you Ira on your above post, and as mentioned by Jens to:

"NOT make any public site posts about ongoing ebay auctions"

I think we should ALL as a community here respect that, no exceptions whatsoever

-gsbadbmr

Boombox's in gereral are still cheap.
Its just a handfull of models
that get them high prices.
I find mine locally and dont use eBay.

i guess the bottom line is boxes are almost always going to cost too much compared to what they are actually worth,that being said the worth is up to the buyer in an auction scenario,now if people buzz about a box thats for sale it only creates more confidence in the sellers abilty to get a higher price and boost competition for the sale. i think if you see a box you know somebody wants just let them know via pm's and they can take it from there .

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Originally posted by redbenjoe:
in my most humble opinion --]
its friggen ridiculous to use/abuse the otherwise very cool/smart/interesting s2g site --
in order to make threads and posts that serve NO other purpose than to make fun of sellers, buyers and/or their boxes --

http://stereo2go.com/eve/forum...6054064/m/2711024045

very well stated Ira.

I guess that many people already know the real collectible value of this radios.
That's enough reason to raise the price.
As soon as a high priced radio is sold, many other owners are likely to learn the real value.
Also the google power worsen the situation

Figure that:

I'm not a boombox specialist, I only want to sell some radio I have. I know nothing about it.I look for the model,JVC RC-M70, I put it at google, see lots of ended auctions with enough amount of info to set-up a rigth price to sell it fast and well.

You can stop speaking about auctions, but many auctions have finished at high prices at certain models of boomboxes. Enough to enable further figths betwen sellers, phantom buyers(driven by the seller) and of course real buyers.

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Originally posted by MasterBlaster84:
Unfortunately I think some here have been offended even to the point of not posting anymore.

Some cats are a little TOO sensitive.

The way I see it is, if you've got the inclination to post a ridiculously high BIN price, you set yourself up to get made fun of, so don't blame anyone else if you feel as tho you got dissed,... BLAME YOURSELF!

To paraphrase a quote from Nino Brown, "My brother,... it's always business... Never personal."

quote:

Originally posted by redbenjoe:
in my most humble opinion --]
its friggen ridiculous to use/abuse the otherwise very cool/smart/interesting s2g site --
in order to make threads and posts that serve NO other purpose than to make fun of sellers, buyers and/or their boxes --

like WHAT FOR !!????

some may use the BS cover -- that these posts are 'helpful' to new members --who may have overpaid ??? were it not for this "HEADS-UP"
RIGHT ???

Ira, Very intelligent post and I agree. I never meant to imply we should make fun of anybody for what they may have paid, I simply meant to keep the discussions light, amusing, etc.

Obviously there needs to be some discussions about the free market for boomboxes and it can be done without attacking or otherwise taunting anybody.

I think we agree much more than disagree as usual.

Worthy comments from all.

hey MB --
i agree with you agreeing with me !!!

I agree that you two are agreeing that you agree alot more than you disagree.

Yes, we are very agreeable.

eric - is that your m90 woof ?
did you paint it ??

Yes it is. And to my surprise it is still blue. Decided to open her up and get the dust off.....Holy carp...its still blue.

thanks

quote:

Holy carp...its still blue.

I would like to agree...

But I don't have a problem with auctions being discussed. High/low... whatever. If you (or I) overpay for a box because we don't know any better, then I don't have a problem being schooled on it. In the long run it will save me money as I learn to avoid making costly mistakes. If I "overpay" because someone thinks I did, and I KNOW I didn't because of my own reasons for wanting a certain box then what do I care? Nobody is going to make me cry in my beer because of their OPINION. Besides most of those "you overpaid" posts are countered by people who don't feel that was the case anyway...

On the flip side if I (or you) as a seller are going to get all bent out of shape because someone says I am overly aggressive when I set my price then I have a couple of choices. I can sell HERE at a lower S2G "members" price. OR I can lower my ebay price if I feel charitable. Or I can care less because someone on ebay will pay my price anyway.

Besides "How much is this worth" posts are discouraged from the get-go. So maybe someone can explain to me just how people are supposed to figure out what to price a box at? (as a buyer or a seller) PMs??? Now how the heck does that help anyone new who does not have a network of trusted friends?? All in the name of sparing someone's feelings??? Boo Hoo! If you are going to run away with your tail between your legs because you paid too much for a box and you feel sad about it... then you better grow a pair. Life is going to be pretty tough for you.

I think part of the value of this site is in helping us figure some of this out. Most posts about price and value are pretty honest and have alot of humor sprinkled in. I like that about this site. As long as PERSONAL ATTACKS are not allowed and we keep politics out of it... we are in good shape here at S2G.

Spud, that's why I said some of us need thicker skin. If your going to pay top dollar for a box then you had better expect a little member shock and ridicule. In most cases it's in fun and the few times it hasn't been it's been defended by more than one member which is good.

I think we forget how trivial and fun collecting can be, if it stokes your fire who cares what others think. Fortunately we have a place like S2G to share with others like us which makes what we collect many times more enjoyable. This is the beauty of the free world, you can indulge in what you like any way you like within the laws of your country.

with spud 71. If you are new to this, like me and don't really have a network of friends to discuss bb with, s2g is a great resource for getting some knowledge without learning really awful lessons. Plus we can really stick it to newbies While I like the policy of "no pricing questions answered" to end the discussion of values or what's around ebay or craigslist altogether seems extreme. I have seen a number of members pick up some nice boxes due to "hey look at this ebay listing..."

there will always be sharks, players and abusers. who cares. what you are willing to pay for a box or sell a box for is what makes this fun. And to encourage others to take an interest in what our hobby is about is more important than trying to police those who cannot be policed anyway...

The REAL value anyway here is the tech tips, sound reviews and depth of knowledge that no sharks would take the time to utilize anyway.

That said, I paid $2990.00 in gold coins and cheese for a coby 10w masterpiece of sound, what's it to you RBJ? i am tone deaf anyway.

quote:

Originally posted by 71spud:

I think part of the value of this site is in helping us figure some of this out. Most posts about price and value are pretty honest and have alot of humor sprinkled in. I like that about this site. As long as PERSONAL ATTACKS are not allowed and we keep politics out of it... we are in good shape here at S2G.

Exactly.

you know this is my thoughts on this.

if someone can sell something they paid a dollar for,and get a thousand dollars thats fantastic

if someone sells something for a dollar that is worth a thousand dollars good for the buyer.

i really couldnt care less.

i tend to stay out of any of the threads were there is poking at ebay sellers for asking a high price for something.
honestly it is not any of my business and if someone wants to pay a huge amount of money for something then good on them.

over the last year and a bit boombox and vintage audio has been a therapy of sorts for me while i have been recovering from a very extreme time in my life.
i have enjoyed every second of it and love the nice radios i have managed to get over the last two years.

i never once bought anything from ebay, i hunted them down.

for me my radios are well my radios they are not for sale at any price,and well now i have slowed down my collecting of both boomboxes and vintage audio i have no plans to get rid of them or to put them aways in a closet.
i am just going to keep using them till they dont work or give some aways to friends for gifts.

now sticking with the subject of making fun of adds for sellers with a high asking price, i just dont see the point in it really.
i mean it should not go any further than a chuckle to yourself or a pm to one of the people you are friends with on the site.

posts where people rant on about how insane the guy is for asking this or that for something are just dumb.
i mean they sound so umm hissy and pissy.
sometimes i think this forum should just have a outright ban on posting anything for sale,but there has been a lot of good transactions between people here.
people have been able to find parts they didnt have or locate a radio they thought they would never find.

the bad side has been people have been ripped off and well even by members long time members of the forum.
sad to see it really. i mean i suppose it is to be expected but hey.

for me when someone is crying about something being outrageously expensive it just sends up a flag the guy is actually peed offed he isnt getting a bargain on something.

lets face it the days of the twenty five dollar ebay m90 are gone if those days ever existed.
ebay is pretty much a sellers market now and there really is no point complaining about what someone is asking for something there.

its not your choice what someone sells something is.

the price is never wrong in a bin sale the price is.
i mean thats just the nature of things.

someone who has means will pay a lot for something if they can have it right aways.

on the flip side of this i see nothing wrong with people discussing anything between themselves through the pm feature of this site.
that area should remain private and even if it is a group discussion it should remain private between those members.
even the moderators should respect that private area after all it is why it is called private messenger.

how much is this worth posts well are to be expected from people who just sign up to see how much there old radio is worth.

this forum is pretty good
i dont think its really about protecting someones feelings i mean i dont think "joe three thousand dollar boombox" cares what any of us think.
we are a pretty minute sliver in terms of the market globally.

sure we like to think this forum is really a bee hive of swarming activity but in all reality it is just a really small group of people that like old radios.

i do think pms are a pretty good way to find out what others think of a asking price.

most people here are friendly and like to give their opinion of course there is some folks who wont answer you,but so what thats life.

even tho i never spent lots of money on any of my radios i still bought some that were garbage when i first started out. in fact some of them were garbage literally pulled out of a dumpster behind my rehersal space downtown.

saying someone is a this or that beacause they sold x boombox for a huge sum is just dumb.

i doubt there is any person here who would refuse a hundred dollar bill from someone wanting to give it to them.
money is a good thing and if someone is willing to pay then so be it.

the thing that is the lamest thing tho is i highly doubt any of the people complaining about prices would say a peep to a seller in a store asking to much for something.

thats the thing about the internet you can pretty much say anything with out any real discussion.
i mean i couldnt care less what anyone online thinks of me or how i live my life.
if someone wants to exchange thoughts i am more than happy to do so.
the belly aching about prices tho needs to stop.
the price is never wrong the price is and if the market changes the price either goes up or down.
get over it.

jealousy is just the root of complaining about pricing.
i mean someone has something they want a lot of money for.
you dont have it, why complain about there price.
i mean it isnt going to help you obtain the box in most cases and if you make fun of a guy for asking what he is asking for something there is no chance he is going to give you a better price.
i mean if you walk into mcdonalds you cant tell them a big mac is to much money its only worth a quarter so you should sell it to me for a quarter.
on the internet tho you can do anything without any chance of being arrested or chased out of mickey ds with a special sauce gun.

i mean all you can do is contact the seller see if you can work something out. if he says no its his right to do so.
my life is changing now things are going good soon we will be back to a six figure household income and all will be well with the world again.
i plan on still going out and hunting down cheap old stereos and boomboxes and being part of this forum.
we should talk about boomboxes and which ones are good and why.

who cares what they are selling for.
if it is worth it to you i am sure you can find what you are looking for if you put in the time.

bill, i think you made the longest post EVER in S2G history ...you brought up a lot of good points in your post...props to you for spending the time to type it all up, voice your opinion and contribute here

-gsbadbmr

bill -- i just read your entire post TWICE !!

and cant find even one 'hole in your argument'
you were , imho, very fair to all 'sides'

thanks for such a big, valuable effort-
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if anything - you may have been TOO fair and TOO polite --about the 'make fun of sellers/buyers' part.

because -- MOST all those many type posts --and multi-page threads

are, to me , NOTHING MORE than 'indirect' PERSONAL ATTACKS on people --

just like you -- i like/respect this site -and so i hate to see us (friends/members) do the 'gang-up' bit --
whenever a price is way 'out of line'
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to not be vague --here is a 'future' example :

a very rare , highly desirable box to many here-
might be a Toshiba #40.

lets say - a seller puts his up on ebay with a $1.500 starting bid --
further --some of our best 'detectives' may know and POST !!! that he bought it for only 8 (EIGHT) bucks 'back in the day'

well -- we then predict a long series of personal attack posts --calling him a crack smoker and a greedy seller , etc etc etc etc --
that goes on for many PAGES.

no one may bother to post --that perhaps the seller is an honorable member// collector who loves his tosh 40 -- but NEEDS 1,500 for some serious family expenses -

that happens -- RIGHT ??? //right ???


ok -- then within a short time --50 bidders -- including several MEMBERS --push the price way up to 2000 !! --

are all 50 bidders foolish ?
are they newbies ? are they stupid ?
are they ALL sheep ???

well- perhaps all 50 --are also collectors that would like to collect what may be a 'once-in-a-decade/lifetime' opportunity.

but --still - many here have to / NEED to ??
make a bunch of 'after-posts' to make fun of the winner --

in the common case --when the winner is a good member here --we beat him out of his fun chance to show his hard earned tosh 40 in collections
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anyway -- sorry to have such strong feelings about this -- but i hope we can ALL survive --
without even ONE more negative post about sellers buyers and prices --

personal attacks like that are nowheresville.

yes i did make a long post i tried to use spell check and, pay a little more attention to my terrible grammar and poor punctuation than than usual.
i am sure tho there is lots of spelling mistakes. poor grammar ect to keep the grammar fascists laughing for months to come.

quote:

Originally posted by redbenjoe:
bill -- i just read your entire post TWICE !!

and cant find even one 'hole in your argument'
you were , imho, very fair to all 'sides'

thanks for such a big, valuable effort-
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if anything - you may have been TOO fair and TOO polite --about the 'make fun of sellers/buyers' part.

because -- MOST all those many type posts --and multi-page threads

are, to me , NOTHING MORE than 'indirect' PERSONAL ATTACKS on people --

just like you -- i like/respect this site -and so i hate to see us (friends/members) do the 'gang-up' bit --
whenever a price is way 'out of line'
-----------------------

to not be vague --here is a 'future' example :

a very rare , highly desirable box to many here-
might be a Toshiba #40.

lets say - a seller puts his up on ebay with a $1.500 starting bid --
further --some of our best 'detectives' may know and POST !!! that he bought it for only 8 (EIGHT) bucks 'back in the day'

well -- we then predict a long series of personal attack posts --calling him a crack smoker and a greedy seller , etc etc etc etc --
that goes on for many PAGES.

no one may bother to post --that perhaps the seller is an honorable member// collector who loves his tosh 40 -- but NEEDS 1,500 for some serious family expenses -

that happens -- RIGHT ??? //right ???


ok -- then within a short time --50 bidders -- including several MEMBERS --push the price way up to 2000 !! --

are all 50 bidders foolish ?
are they newbies ? are they stupid ?
are they ALL sheep ???

well- perhaps all 50 --are also collectors that would like to collect what may be a 'once-in-a-decade/lifetime' opportunity.

but --still - many here have to / NEED to ??
make a bunch of 'after-posts' to make fun of the winner --

in the common case --when the winner is a good member here --we beat him out of his fun chance to show his hard earned tosh 40 in collections
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anyway -- sorry to have such strong feelings about this -- but i hope we can ALL survive --
without even ONE more negative post about sellers buyers and prices --

personal attacks like that are nowheresville.

VERY well said redben, and well written...i couldn't agree with you more on your points mentioned!

I also got to thinking...in your "PAN FAN CAN" post in the "Buyers and Sellers Feedback" section, you said:

"all he asked is that i post less often --
and with more quality !!"

Well i must say, with your above post here you're on the right track

This is great stuff

-gsbadbmr

thanks gordie --

but REALLY -- i was just kidding (for a change)
pan fan did NOT ask for ANYTHING in return for that great handle --
i just have that 'feeling' that me MIGHT prefer fewer/better posts

also i would say it makes way more sense to post wanted adds for things you are looking for.
i mean why spend the time ranting over something that has sold to someone else.

i dont go to my neighbor and say hey nice house.
your a idiot tho for paying as much for it as you did.

nor do i knock on the door and start yelling at a guy selling a house in my nieghbourhood for six hundred thousand dollars that is a small rancher.

i mean if i did i would get a ride in a cop car for harassing someone.
you have to remember that some of these people could decide to go after some of the online resources available for people who feel they are being harassed by people online.

it dosent matter if they are right or wrong they could still do it.
anon is a very powerful force and i have seen it take down a website literally overnight with its wrath.
for example i had once been a memeber of a forum where people began to make some pretty anti semitic posts.
within a day of them being posted thousands of new members had signed up and began flaming the entire site.
i would hate to see something like that happen here.

over the last few weeks online i have noticed that there has been a lot of wierd things connected to this forum when doing a stereo to go google.
i mean there is even a site that lets you log on here anon using fake passwords and ids.
i pointed it out to jens and hope he has had some sucess to shut that down.

yes ira you are right i could have been a lot less polite with regard to this topic,but honestly its the internet and there is no point in getting to mad about stuff.

we also have to really try and get people talking about boomboxes again.
i mean i dont want to drift to far off topic,but
lately i have noticed a lot of things being posted either in the wrong section of the forum or just not relevant.

i mean think perhaps this forum could use a section for other portable audio if there is enough interests here.
i think tho it should stay focussed on boomboxes and walkmans.

i have not been a member here as long as some and i might not have a super high post count ect ect.
let me say this tho there has been a lot of people bail from here over the time i have been here.
this place is a great online community. one of the best i have been involved with,and trust me i have been involved with a lot of them.
the mods do a pretty decent job with things overall.
i mean i have seen some sites with real idiots as moderators and it always reflects in the quality of posts and the general feeling of the forum.
so yeah kudos to them for keeping stuff fairly orderly.

there is always going to be threads where you are not going to like what is being said and who is saying it.
thats just the nature of a forum.

i do strongly feel tho that if there is a lot of bashing that people will just bail out.
i mean people arent stupid for the most part.
if a guy who is selling something isnt getting the price he wants he will lower the price.
if someone is trying to buy something and he really wants it he will increase his offer until the seller says yes.

buying and selling stuff is a art form. it really is in some cases to someones advantage to say nothing,if you miss out on a deal so what.
getting mad over stuff like that is just dumb.
i mean being dissapointed is one thing,but being so bitter and well just pissy about it is dumb.

yep i am in the peanut gallery. i have about fifteen or so really nice boomboxes now. i got rid of all the lesser ones gave them to friends or back to the thrift stores.
this being said i think that i have learned a lot in the almost three years i have been here.
i never really asked anyones opinions of what box is good what box is bad.
i just went out and bought boomboxes. some were wonderful some were boat anchors. well not even that good for that even.
i never have spent more than twenty bucks on a used boombox.
even when i walked into a place to see someone walking out with a mint pc55 or big one piece, i always said hey you got a deal thats awesome.
good on you for getting a deal or selling someone for lots of deniros.

the simple fact is no one owes anyone anything when it comes to buying and selling.
if you wanna give someone a deal that is wonderful,if you dont that is ok too.

this issue with the banter over someone being a crackhead or a jerko a ****head a knob gobller for selling something too high is eventually you are going to piss off someone.

like i said anon is a powerful growing force on the internet and time and time again i have seen someone piss someone off online and raise the ire of anon.

its not nice when it happens. the effect is almost always the same the forum shuts down a few months later it reopens a few people come back,but its never the same after that.

i dont believe in censorship but i do believe there has to be rules ect.
i cant be responsible for what i believe is bad form.
trust me tho i can pretty much promise at somepoint someone is going to piss someone off with way to much time on there hands and they are going to bring anon to the site and run havoc.
it might sound like a alien concept to some,or like a stretch of the truth.
its not tho
the effects of it can really shred a small forum like this.
i would hate to see it happen.

Well, I'm guilty of making fun of a seller - although not so much about the price, but about the auction - when a guy outbids me at the last second, and then decides to flip the boombox a few weeks later - and writes a fricking novel about how he bought that boombox in 1991 from an original owner, and how he had stored that *priceless piece of boombox history* in his storage for 15 years, and based on that fact - asks 4 times what he had paid a few weeks earlier.
I do not have a problem when somebody makes a profit, but false advertisement is a big *no-no* as far as I'm concerned.....

Vladi I might be willing to bet where an auction has an explanation or description more often than not the sellers have exaggerated or outright fabricated it.

Sounds like you speak from experience in your post.

Don, I agree - those *action descriptions* are just as good as those pictures of boomboxes you and I had talked about - taken with cellphone cameras in a dark room while jumping up and down

I'm glad some of you are adding your valuable opinions to this post. I was really hoping to make some of us think about what was continually occuring mostly in the for sale section. It would be nice to see the aggressive statements tempered a little, we can still have a lot of fun with auctions and prices without name calling, bashing or whatever. There are plenty of ways to peacefully have discussions and laugh about everything.

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Originally posted by vladi123456:
Don, I agree - those *action descriptions* are just as good as those pictures of boomboxes you and I had talked about - taken with cellphone cameras in a dark room while jumping up and down

Yeah I remember that, it still holds true even in this age when you can by a pretty nice camera for $100.

thats a reflection of his own flawed character tho man.
i mean you shouldnt let someone make you angry because he is a liar and a fraud.
its his problem. people will say anything to sell something sometimes. i mean i read some adds for used stuff and i have no idea who buys into that spiel. in fact even when i get stuff on craigs the more sentimental the story the less interested i am in the item at any price.

the best thing is busting these people in lies right to their faces.

i mean people lie for some people selling used stuff is there job.
some of them will do anything.

quote:

Originally posted by billpc55:
when i get stuff on craigs the more sentimental the story the less interested i am in the item at any price.

I'm the same way bill, just tell me what you have, the condition and how much you want. I don't care about the story, it ultimately means nothing to me where it came from or how long they've had it, etc. because once I buy it that doesn't matter one bit.

yes mb. i think its a sure sign of someone who is a flipper when they try come cliche ploy to get you to buy something. i couldnt care less where it came from(as long as it is not stolen) i just care if it is in order.

quote:

Originally posted by MONOLITHIC:
if somebody made fun of me for it, I'd laugh along with 'em - take it like a man and move on.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
Absolutely Mono, that's one of the main points I was hoping to stress but don't think I did.