How come i'm seeing loads of 777's on ebay and different prices - saw one looking new but had water splater on cones ?

from this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SHARP-GF...C293%3A1%7C294%3A200

to this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SHARP-GF...C293%3A1%7C294%3A200


no one wanna answer this ?

i think theyre being faked personally, there was hardly any 777's coming up 5 years ago now there seems to be a certain supply of them from somewhere

i guess the big clue maybe coming in from china ?

indeed...

the only way of telling for sure is by putting one from china up against one that was supplied originally in the uk or usa and comparing them fully.

the chinese fake everything that has a value, its far from being unlikely

jesus christ forget what i just posted theres no question these are fake, look at these 2 photos for god sake




how on earth does one man lay his hands on multiple new boxed 777's in generic chinese manufactured boxes.

like i said before several years ago these were about as sparse as rcm90's and the like, i saw like 1 with original stickers on which went on ebay for over £1000 in the states.

theyre either repackaging old ones and making hooky stickers, reissuing them and making them in china (but stating made in Japan) or theyre not the real deal.

either that or there was a factory full of them somewhere for years - which is unlikely.

but to be fair they do look like good copies if thats what they are

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Originally posted by billy the binman:

theyre either repackaging old ones and making hooky stickers

They've been making fake stickers over there for years now, I had a pair on my 777 when I got it 3 years ago.

I concur with some other members: These are Asian machines and they've just discovered that these "old" machines have value, especially to westerners. If you have access to Asian bid sites, you can get them pretty cheap over there. Then they slap fake stickers on them and pass them off as like new.

Read the feedbacks. Many of the Chinese sellers use bait/switch tactics and recycle the listing photos. The one you get may not be the same one on display. Even though some of the products looks like they're priced really well, I personally don't want to risk my hard earned money on any of those boxes. Even though you are protected by paypal, understand that if you have a problem, you need to ship it back to get a refund. Do you know how much it's gonna cost you to send a GF-777 to China? AND get delivery confirmation, if that's even possible? That's why they can get away with this -- if you file claim, even if you win, you still lose.

Finally, while China is famous for their counterfeiting ability, I don't believe they are producing true fake GF-777's. The only way to "counterfeit" an entire GF-777 and be profitable is to do it on a mass scale. A handful of ebay sales isn't going to begin to repay for the tooling. To do that, they'd have to sell them in droves and flooding the market is going to cause the market value to take a nose dive. When they start showing up in Walmart, then you'll know they've truly "counterfeited" the box.

Andy where did you get the pic from with all those 777`s ?? there`s a good few there man..remember the guy interply (i think thats his name) he had about 20-30 777`s,he said they were every where in china,and he picked them up cheap as chips..i personally feeel its about time they started getting good money for them,some parts of china is very poor,it would be nice to see them get some cash in there pockets,makes a nice change..

But as for them guys "qffx" and another main seller Tian Jin Xing Da//"xd62" i reckon them 2 are just plain greedy..

What happens to all the dies and moulds from these machines? They must be around somewhere.

i think they got scrapped years ago and melted down,they`r probebly a toyota avensis and nissan 350Z now..

I believe that someone stated previously, that Japan sold off a bunch of EOL'd electronics to China in the late 80's and early 90's. Many of the models you see for sale there have sat in warehouses for years.


I would agree, it's highly unlikely that someone went to the extent of actually re-manufacturing 777's. I would stick with the ones made in Japan. Buying from the Chinese bbx sellers has been hit or miss. I would pay a slightly higher price to buy from someone in country than take the risk of shipping from China, but that's my preference. Many here from time to time have purchased from these sellers, they just don't really talk about it.



Regarding the comment about the Chinese faking everything. Take a look around your house. Most of what you have is made in China. Is that all fake? the fact is, China is the #1 manufacturing base in the world. Many of the brands you buy today are designed elsewhere, but made in China or another far Eastern country where labor is cheap and raw materials in abundance.

I agree with Panasonic Fan. Probabaly have been sitting around for years. Unfortunately he is also correct when he said most everything we have in our homes is made in China, AND thats why the American manufacturing base is pretty much down to a select few. Outsourcing. Hard to buy ANYTHING that says made in USA. I work in a Union shop and we too have suffered from this outsourcing. I try to buy whatever I can thats made here, EVEN if it costs me a few bucks more!!!! Didnt mean to get slightly off subject. I wouldnt buy those boxes from China as it does seem a bit risky , rather get 1 from Peppin if possible.

Me too. The chance that someone in China is making new exact-copy 777s is very remote. We have visibility of all sorts of portable audio (copycat or otherwise) being made in China & don't you think this would be in there if it was being made?
I reckon these are old stock or second hand models. China is big, really big. Some that have made their way to s2g members bear the scars of long term storage &/or age.
Those stickers on the grilles are popping up all over the place. IMHO the stickers are kock-offs, added to give the old boomers a cool look.

hmm, im still undecided. they didnt have these things in HongKong when i last got a hunt sorted for ghettoblasters about 2 years ago. HK is where the wealth was in the 80's and therefore the most likely place i would expect them to be, not in china.

70's/80's china was pretty poor, when i was in China in 1994, the place i went was dirt poor, certainly not 777 buying territory. now its one of the richest parts - due largely in part to the manufacturing. alot of what they manufacture is knock offs of high priced western goods and collectables. its turned in only a few years

from lots of experience of chinese manufacturers, what they fake and what theyre prepared to do i certainly wouldnt put it past them at all.

what i posted above has all the hallmarks of faked goods.

they fake eggs for people to consume, thats no joke, if they can fake eggs they could fake these no problem.

i dunno if they really palmed off a load of old genuine goods to the chinese - if that really did happen then id be inclined to believe it but i would have thought that they could sell more to sharp dealers in the usa and europe at knock down prices. which would be more realistic in my eyes, since they are a commercial organisation.

they fake old bmx seats - kashimax areo originals sell for £120 - that's for an old bmx

has any body opened one of these china boxes and looked inside ? would not all the tec be copied the same ?

I have a good friend in China I've talked with this about. We both believe that the units were dumped on the Chinese market as places like the US, HK and Europe were in the throws of CD intoxication and had very little interest in continuing with cassettes.

China has 1.3 billion people, there was plenty of money to buy these things even then especially as China is a very "trader" oriented business culture. I am not saying you can guarantee the "brand new" aspect nor that internal parts have been not swapped out or changed, but I do think they are all the real deal and not knock offs.

stickers fake. probably buying from fatdog

Well, I guess someone had to do it. I recently bought one of his 777's and it is currently being shipped. I have to admit that every time I emailed the guy he always replied and answered all my questions. I asked why some were $399 and others were $599, $699 and so one. The dude told me that the higher the price, the better cosmetic state they are in. He sent me additional photos of the one I actually bought and assured me I would be happy. As well, if it's junk I'll file a claim with VISA without having to send it back. Most of the time there is no return address and VISA soaks it up with their huge surplus of interest money - no problem. I will let everyone know as soon as I get it. To be honest, are you going to set up a factory, hire engineers, make molds, schematics, hire employees and all that just to sell one model boombox to a handful of North American enthusiasts? I don't thing so. C'mon, we are a relatively small group, and at this point all of us have maxed out Ebay and gotten the units we want. There's nothing but a few RCM70's circulating for parts. I've seen ones I've sold being resold 5 times already.

I guess that when you see about 6+ 777's floating around on ebay, you tend to wonder why and as said all at different price's ?

B

These made in china box's
never made it to north america before
because trade with china was off limits.
These were made by sharp in china
for there own market.

I have lots of picture of boxes from china taken by my friend in china. Not only sharps but pioneers, jvc's, conions and others. I don't believe they all set up shop there. (at least then, now they all have for sure!)

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Originally posted by paulchris2:
...all that just to sell one model boombox to a handful of North American enthusiasts? I don't thing so. C'mon, we are a relatively small group...

This is a most convincing argument. Most knock-off Adidas & the like are made for a huge potential worldwide market.
Whether we like it or not, there is no such market for enormous AM FM radio cassette recorders.

they dont necessarily tool up for hundreds of thousands - theyll make one offs and batches if requested

I was in Shanghai in 2006 and I bought a GF777 there for $60 USD. It is not a fake. This little old man had a house full of discarded old electronics most likely not originally sold in the Chinese market. I saw many different kinds there. Sanyos, Toshibas, Sharps - and all of them were cheap compared to ebay prices. I also bought a GF 9292 for $5 off the guy the next day. The interesting part of the story is that once he sold me the 777 he had another one the very next day. When I went back I was upset because it was in much better condition than the one I bought the day before. I bought that one for slightly more. When I went back a few days later to look he had 2 more and told me that another "big" box was on its way. I have no idea why the 777 is there in such abundance but I can certainly say that they are NOT made in China and they are not fake. It is my understanding that goods from first world countries often get shipped out when they are obsolete to third world places where they can still get some good use out of them. Maybe that is how these things ended up there. The idea that they are creating fakes with the original patina of an 80's box is a bit far fetched imho.

Nevertheless: some 777s ARE indeed put together under licence in China.-- maybe in some back yard shops...

Have a look at this id -tag:
says: assembled in China



But I guess most are genuine Japanese products.
Imagine they might have some newspapers/magazines with advertisings.
They could search gf`s in entire china...

bumbpp

Jens,well spotted..
i`ve never seen that before..
sooo..some 777 was built in china..wonder if the quality is has good as the jap models ?? same parts ?? samme insides ?? same sound..

EDIT...

Ahhh,Read the other 777 thread by paulchris2
they are discussing the variants and aparently,there was no difference..

So we are saying that it's safe to buy them - it's just condition to watch for ?

I bought mine from a seller in China. It came in a pretty good shape cosmetically, but it had a problem with FM stereo. I took it apart - it looked genuine as far as I could tell. I got a partial refund from the seller, and got the issue addressed - it is one of my favorite boxes now