Apparently, there seems to be a division of thoughts on this site about posting links to other peoples' ebay auctions here. There is a group that believes that, by posting here we are causing prices to go up and another group that doesn't think this makes a difference at all.
Rather than type it all again, here is an extract from an M90 thread:
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quote from bashngu:
OMG here we go again. For the love of god NOBODY is EVER going to get an EXCELLENT deal on an M90 on EBAY period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doesnt matter where you post it or dont post it. Like everybody who looks for boomboxes hasnt seen it?
my response: I respectfully disagree.
For example, what about Sinister's M-90 deal last week? If I'm not mistaken, that auction went unidentified here until Ford93 posted that there were 3 hours left in that auction. I had been watching that one as well, as I'm sure many of you were. It sold for just shy of $500, which I think we can all agree is a great price for that boombox.
And while the GF-9696Z is not considered to be at the same level as the mighty M-90, they routinely sell upwards of $300-500 in very good condition. I just bid on and won a very nice looking one yesterday for only $115. Granted the tape deck doesn't work, but it is still in very good shape and quite desirable. Had it been posted as general knowledge here, I firmly believe it would have had more bidders and gone for more money. When was the last time you saw one of those in good cosmetic shape go for less than $300 on ebay.usa?
So, there are two examples for you that are about as good as it gets. Two auctions that were not publicized here, and they ended well below what would be considered "market value."
The problem is, we'll never know for sure because we can't keep our mouths shut on this site when there's an M-90 out there.... (And I'll admit I've been guilty of this too).
I guarantee you there are plenty of people who monitor this site more than they necessarily surf the boombox section of eBay. Personally, I get burnt out on ebay and may go weeks not checking the BBox section, but I'm in here regularly.... and when I see a desirable auction listed here, I most definitely pop straight into ebay... And I am sure I am not the only one with some money to spend on boomboxes who does that. Sometimes, all it takes is one person with deeper pockets to to stay away from an auction for the other guy to get a good deal.
Why do you think pure sellers like that Vlad character sign up here? Many sign up just to post "hey, I've got this and that for sale"? Or to try to figure out what boxes are worth.
It's because they know that they have a focused group of Boombox junkies all in one place, many of which are willing to spend more than your average joe blow on boomboxes.
The bottom line is... hyping it up (or even just mentioning it) here is sure to jack up the price there.
Personally, I'd like to see a network of us engage in a massive PM thread that at least takes away site lurkers ability to view our discussions... Where we can put "dibs" on an auction amongst ourselves and at least try to keep from overbidding each other.
So, I think my position and argument is pretty clear, but I'd love to hear what the rest of you think?
jt
did i start this
Sinister - Seriously, I'm very happy for you winning that auction. But please answer me this, and be honest... did Ford's posting alert you to the M90, or did you know about it already at that point?
I'm not saying that I'm a saint... I have posted my fair share of "hey, look at this grail" notices...
But a while ago I also started to notice trends and have stopped posting those.
Posting here = more focused bidding audience and thus the potential for higher bid amounts.
I think this is a very powerful site in the Boombox collectors world, and as a community trying to collect these things we have reached a point where we are shooting ourselves in the proverbial foot.
Where do you draw the line for someone who wants to get a good price on a box they own? It certainly is shameless self promotion to mention a box you have on Ebay on this site, but at the same time can you really fault someone trying to stack some coin together for a box they really want down the road? I'm definatly partial to both sides of this idea. I've come to accept that m-90's are going to go for a whopper of a bid 99% of the time.
I dont really know where I was going with this idea but I guess in the end free enterprise is going to rule the land no matter what you try to do?
Perhaps to circumvent the whole Ebay idea, maybe members should post their items for sale for members first here and see if they get a satifying offer before hoarding it onto Ebay?
Well, DM4U, we all know you are an "exceptional" character... Thanks for actually helping me make my point to a degree.
Who the he11 is James, anyway? Is that you?
As for 9696 motor in the auction I won, I am pretty sure its the same one that is used in the 9191, 9292 and the 9494. Shouldn't be too difficult to find from a parts box if it does actually turn out to be the case that it is indeed missing. Based on the fact that the tag in the pic just says "cassette does not work" and the fact that the seller is not an electronics specialist, I have a strong feeling that info may be incorrect, anyway.
Also, I consulted with approx. 20 other members from this site via PM before I bid on that GF-9696. I'm not worried.
But, consider this... Had you been in touch with other people from this site regarding that M90 auction via PM, maybe you and other members from the site would not have bid against each other... and you might have actually won that auction for less than what Sinister bid???
We'll never know...
And, thanks to your posting the details, it stands to reason that because Ford93 posted the auction, Sinister found out about it and you lost out in the closing moments. See, you just made my point!!!
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Perhaps to circumvent the whole Ebay idea, maybe members should post their items for sale for members first here and see if they get a satifying offer before hoarding it onto Ebay?
I agree. Free market will ultimately determine no matter what we do or say here. I just think we are helping to inflate values.
And as for offering to sell to members here, I think that is exactly what this particular forum subcategory was for... For us to post boxes for sale to members, or for us to ask if anyone of our crew has a specific box. Not to be an eBay auction notification forum.
Please read TPRs post here:
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AUCTIONSAll I'm really saying is what is already spelled out by Jens there...
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Originally posted by JT:
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Perhaps to circumvent the whole Ebay idea, maybe members should post their items for sale for members first here and see if they get a satifying offer before hoarding it onto Ebay?
I agree. Free market will ultimately determine no matter what we do or say here. I just think we are helping to inflate values.
And as for offering to sell to members here, I think that is exactly what this particular forum subcategory was for... For us to post boxes for sale to members, or for us to ask if anyone of our crew has a specific box. Not to be an eBay auction notification forum.
Please read TPRs post here:
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AUCTIONSAll I'm really saying is what is already spelled out by Jens there...
I'd just hate to see people get pissed off if they go about making offers privately that arent satifying to members, and the box end up on Ebay regardless. Therefore making it "public" knowledge anyways. I can defintly see that happening in the long run.
The problem is, we'll never know for sure because we can't keep our mouths shut on this site when there's an M-90 out there.... (And I'll admit I've been guilty of this too).
JT I hope you're not reffering that to me. I was just posting here about an M-90 for the members, just looking out for you guys. I know now there is a thread by Jens on (Ghettoblaster & Boombox Parts for Sale) titled (Urgent Announcement-Discussions about Auctions). I've never read before up until RBJ PM me to "STOP" and advised of such thread sorry I did'nt know. I end it here and I hope this topic will be closed!
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JT I hope you're not reffering that to me. I was just posting here about an M-90 for the members, just looking out for you guys. I know now there is a thread by Jens on (Ghettoblaster & Boombox Parts for Sale) titled (Urgent Announcement-Discussions about Auctions). I've never read before up until RBJ PM me to "STOP" and advised of such thread sorry I did'nt know. I end it here and I hope this topic will be closed!
I'm kinda referring to all of us, just to make a point... I've done it in the past, too...
Moving forward, I will not post notifications about other people's ebay auctions here in this forum. Instead, I will PM people that I know might be interested in that particular box... Just like you did for me the other day
I kind of agree with Jens and RBJ (maybe not his tactic).
Please don't think I'm attacking you... but I think this recent set of circumstances provides a good opportunity to make a point while it is fresh on lots of members' minds...
The funny part is that I rarely list auction links here but I think this unspoken rule is stupid so I constantly find myself debating this without even wanting to anymore. This is a forum for people to discuss boomboxes and everything relating including the sales. If you go to audiokarma the same thing goes on there for other audio gear. Sansui lovers post sales they find for Sansui's. Craigslist, Ebay, etc.. Im going to put this part here as well because it pertains. EVERYBODY saw the M90 and will always see "The M90". It went for what it went for at the time Sinister won it. YOU can say its a great price. I say it was a fair price at best for the condition it was in. No miracle took place. (my opinion) I saw it before it was listed here on S2GO. Anybody else see it beforehand? What I had stated in the past is that there are some "closet rare" boxes which could be potentially affected by chit chat here but it will not be the case with something like this. Everybody knows what it is and how to find it. Let me put it like this. Like it or not, nobody is getting a $100 M90 as long as myself, and about 30 other members that I know of that are watching Ebay. A $500 M90? Yes, you may win that one. A questionable GF-9696 was won for $115.00. Do you think any of us saw it? Yes, we did. We either have one (or two) already in that condition and don't need another project right now, we are short on cash, or don't like them to begin with. Either way, it wasn't won by any divine intervention or sloppy scanning on our part. Let's play devils advocate for a second. Let's say you posted a link to every single Ebay auction running for boomboxes. Are they all going to go through the roof suddenly? Ahh, interesting huh?
I myself never read that thread from Jens, but now that I've read it and some other members agree to it, I think it does have a valid point.
jaredscottfla - 2008-08-25 16:18
i started a similar thread ages before most of u guys were reg,i got alot of **** ,so i'll just say i'm with Jt on this,and that's it. I'm def more into the thrifty hunt,ebay has gotten ridiculuos,and their recent chgs just compound the bs that goes on!
for a long time now i have notice that when ever we post ebay links for a boombox most of the time will go out of control and even members here will get upset at who should go for it. i say lets not post ebay links anymore, rather we could use PM and allert anymember that is looking for that item. my 3 cents.
i guess this a big deal huh.
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Originally posted by JT:
Sinister - Seriously, I'm very happy for you winning that auction. But please answer me this, and be honest... did Ford's posting alert you to the M90, or did you know about it already at that point?
I'm not saying that I'm a saint... I have posted my fair share of "hey, look at this grail" notices...
But a while ago I also started to notice trends and have stopped posting those.
Posting here = more focused bidding audience and thus the potential for higher bid amounts.
I think this is a very powerful site in the Boombox collectors world, and as a community trying to collect these things we have reached a point where we are shooting ourselves in the proverbial foot.
well to be honest i cant remember. i may have seen it when it was posted here but i cant really remember. i know it was on my ebay watch list then i got an email from ebay saying it was ending soon, so thats when i watched the auction then bid. didnt think i would win concidering the amount of lurkers we get here. i am sorry if i screwed anything up for you man. i just saw the auction and posted it like the other M90 posts. just want to try to help a lil for whom ever didnt see the posts. sorry bout that.
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well to be honest i cant remember. i may have seen it when it was posted here but i cant really remember. i know it was on my ebay watch list then i got an email from ebay saying it was ending soon, so thats when i watched the auction then bid. didnt think i would win concidering the amount of lurkers we get here. i am sorry if i screwed anything up for you man. i just saw the auction and posted it like the other M90 posts. just want to try to help a lil for whom ever didnt see the posts. sorry bout that.
No worries, Sin... You didn't ruin anything for me... thanks, though.
I was busy with work and missed the end of the auction, otherwise we would have been bidding against each other. I was simply too caught up in work. My eBay bidding strategy is to bid at the very end. That's the way to do it if you want to avoid overpaying for things. If I miss out, another will come along someday... its not the end of the world and I have more good boxes to listen to than I can at any one time anyway.
If anything, DM4U is the bidder whom you ruined it for. Had you not bid, he would have won.
My sole purpose in posting this thread was to start an intelligent, concise discussion about how we (as a community) quite regularly post auctions here that frequently result in inflated boombox prices. And in doing so, we are only hurting ourselves in the wallet.
Your M90 auction was only a potential example of that. But, you just confirmed that the thread posted here did not have any influence on your bidding.
I was really just trying to point out the bigger picture.
i was talking about the 1 i just listed thats not mine. not really concerned with the drama box i won
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If anything, DM4U is the bidder whom you ruined it for. Had you not bid, he would have won.
i cant have that
Well, thanks for all the discussion. I just wanted to say that I was really not trying to cause any drama with this thread, only trying to point out some of my observations and how I came to my conclusions. In the end, I just wanted to spark some healthy and intelligent debate and I feel good points were made all around. I feel very fortunate to have found this community. I really enjoy this forum and the people who contribute. If it rubbed any of you the wrong way, then I apologize.
Keep Boomin'!!!!
thank you JT only rubbing in a good way my friend
in the lofty interest of kindness , understanding, politeness , peace -- and all that good sh-t
i want to say i am sorry for the rude, wise-ass remarks i have made about this grail posting topic-
we have lost a member or two or more !!! over this little matter -- and as of last night --
we might have some dude postal or suicidal over this --and i think he is a family person
so , -- even though i still KNOW we CAN and SHOULD --- EASILY honor Jens request --::
which i think means , send pms , win quietly and post all about it later in collections ---
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its surely not worth it -- to make rude posts.
and, all that is 100% up to our moderators.
and i for one, no longer care much if a few members 'blow my sleepers' --- never win them anyway !!
TRUCE ---okokok
I'll always take a good rubbin' from JT!
IMO the boombox prices are a drop in the bucket compared to other hobbies such as comic book collecting. the 2 holy grails of comic books are 1. Action Comics #1 1938 (1st app of Superman) value $675,000 2. Detective Comics #37 1939 (1st app of Batman) value $550,000. and not to mention countless other comics from the 40's 50's 60's worth 10's of thousands of dollars a piece. so honestly can we complain about paying 2,000 bucks for a nice M90 or Conion?
"so honestly can we complain about paying 2,000 bucks for a nice M90 or Conion?"
Uh....yes?...lol
then i suggest you find a new hobby because the prices are only going to get higher as time goes on.
here is a suggestion about this important 'for sale' forum --:::
NO BIGGIE PROBLEM --
often we use the forum for threads that have nothing to do with our boxes or parts we have to offer -- or that we seriously recommend.
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all the posts with only a comedy purpose -
like the many that are 100% meant to make fun of an ebay box --or to make fun of an ebay seller ---
are really -- the exact opposite of what i think (??) this forum is for --
as they are always about boxes we would NEVER buy --at the listed price or for some other reason-
so --imho -- yup - ebay listings are often funny and ridiculous
--but probably are more 'off-topic' threads // than here.
my 2 cents
panasonic.fan - 2008-11-28 20:18
Have to take the good with the bad Ira.
If it's a bad deal, I see no problem at all with warning the membership by posting about it. The folks here are at all different levels of understanding as to the value of boomboxes in general. As long as it isn't personal in nature, saying "this is a bad deal" is just as legitimate as saying "this is a good deal". Either way, it's the responsibility of the thread starter (and participants) keep it that way.
If it's personal/attacking from the initial post, sure, if not, I think there is a place for it.
Either there is a place for all of it, or none of it.
with you ,Bill -re the good with the bad--
especially ,noted your word "personal"
and was hoping that i wouldnt have to mention this --because its sort of a downwer/bummer--
and will sound like a mini-rant
but - i feel its important to say that sometimes the folks we laugh at --are our own good members .
cant blame any of us for not knowing whos who on ebay --they have 'codes' now -and - it seems like most s2g members use different ebay names .
but, stiil -- the 'make fun of' posts are not 'all good'-
i know of TWO recent cases where we hurt members --
one very recent time --we had a long thread to 'gang-up' on a buyer who seemed to overpay --
but when he got his box -- its was MINT -and he was thrilled with the great $ deal (for him) --
this guy was/is a real sharing member who often helps us out in the tech section-
but - because so many here - made fun of his win --he just couldnt do what most of us enjoy:
show some pix and tell us the happy story in collections
we sort of combined to kill part of his fun.
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so -while some here may not agree --
i think the quick laughs we get ::
"sellers on crack" // "winner was a loser"
is an over-kill as a 'warning'-
so - hope we just let these comments go- unposted.
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Originally posted by autobot84:
then i suggest you find a new hobby because the prices are only going to get higher as time goes on.
I'm not sure about that.......especially after radio converts to digital broadcast, making analog radios useless without converters. And also in 10-15 years from now very few places will stock parts for them anymore.
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And also in 10-15 years from now very few places will stock parts for them anymore.
That might actually cause values to increase...
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Originally posted by JT:
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And also in 10-15 years from now very few places will stock parts for them anymore.
That might actually cause values to increase...
Big time!!
Except that if you can't fix the tape player anymore, and you can't play the radio, what do you have left? I dunno, running an MP3 player thru one box at a time is only SO satisfying. Personally I like to find a radio station I like and play all of my boxes at the same time, one or two in each room.
Well, the good news is that the conversion to HD Radio will not be mandated by the FCC like it is for TV. 10 or 15 years from now when HD Radio takes over, you have to pick up an FM transmitter and listen to radio on your boxes that way. So much for portability!
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Originally posted by JT:
Well, the good news is that the conversion to HD Radio will not be mandated by the FCC like it is for TV. 10 or 15 years from now when HD Radio takes over, you have to pick up an FM transmitter and listen to radio on your boxes that way. So much for portability!
They may have very small converters by then that send out a week fm single. most likely will fit in your pocket or in your wallet like a credit card.
ghettoblaster4life - 2009-02-07 00:20
whats up,iv read most of everyones thought on this thread,i know im a new b on here and maybe no one cares what i have to say,heres a idea,everyone agree on one member to bid on one good boombox,no other member but that member can bid on it,and see what happens because i think this is the only way of knowing if we are all shooting our selfs in the foot,like i said im a rookie on here and what the hexx do i know.thankx for reading.o yea anybody here want to try out my idea?
Have to say I don't agree at all . .
Highest bidder wins ,that's how ebay works . .
Plenty of people outside of stereo2go buy radios not just this small collection of people !
Calling "dibs" is pointless . . .
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Originally posted by r o y a l ®:
Have to say I don't agree at all . .
Highest bidder wins ,that's how ebay works . .
Plenty of people outside of stereo2go buy radios not just this small collection of people !
Calling "dibs" is pointless . . .
Free market! Loads of bbx bidders are not members here or are just doin business with 'em.
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Originally posted by r o y a l ®:
Have to say I don't agree at all . .
Highest bidder wins ,that's how ebay works . .
Plenty of people outside of stereo2go buy radios not just this small collection of people !
Calling "dibs" is pointless . . .
I have to say, no offense to anyone, but if I wanted a particualr box, I wouldn't care who was bidding on it. I'm still going to bid to win, if I'm outbid, well I guess you wanted it more than I.
Johnny
ghettoblaster4life - 2009-02-07 23:38
well said g.
You win,
you win. You lose,
you lose.
Me? I bid to win... And if you lose to me and get mad about it, then that's your problem.
Don't hate the player - HATE THE GAME!
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Originally posted by bashngu:
The funny part is that I rarely list auction links here but I think this unspoken rule is stupid so I constantly find myself debating this without even wanting to anymore. This is a forum for people to discuss boomboxes and everything relating including the sales. If you go to audiokarma the same thing goes on there for other audio gear. Sansui lovers post sales they find for Sansui's. Craigslist, Ebay, etc.. Im going to put this part here as well because it pertains. EVERYBODY saw the M90 and will always see "The M90". It went for what it went for at the time Sinister won it. YOU can say its a great price. I say it was a fair price at best for the condition it was in. No miracle took place. (my opinion) I saw it before it was listed here on S2GO. Anybody else see it beforehand? What I had stated in the past is that there are some "closet rare" boxes which could be potentially affected by chit chat here but it will not be the case with something like this. Everybody knows what it is and how to find it. Let me put it like this. Like it or not, nobody is getting a $100 M90 as long as myself, and about 30 other members that I know of that are watching Ebay. A $500 M90? Yes, you may win that one. A questionable GF-9696 was won for $115.00. Do you think any of us saw it? Yes, we did. We either have one (or two) already in that condition and don't need another project right now, we are short on cash, or don't like them to begin with. Either way, it wasn't won by any divine intervention or sloppy scanning on our part. Let's play devils advocate for a second. Let's say you posted a link to every single Ebay auction running for boomboxes. Are they all going to go through the roof suddenly? Ahh, interesting huh?
[ nobody is getting a $100 M90 ] Hmm, the only way this could happen would be if the bidding started early at a very low price and the seller decided to stop the sale and sell it to a bidder allready bidding I guess.
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Originally posted by r o y a l ®:
Have to say I don't agree at all . .
Highest bidder wins ,that's how ebay works . .
Plenty of people outside of stereo2go buy radios not just this small collection of people !
Calling "dibs" is pointless . . .
this sound's correct
crairtone 7978 for sale on ebay. he has about 5 for sale. im looking for a vz2000 parts box
hit me up at fastpace7@yahoo.com
I'm not sure what to think. I've just joined because I recently found out, after doing some research, what I've had since the 80's, which is the Dynasty Discolite box. I'm taking it in next week to get the tape deck(s) checked out..I have always loved this thing but it sat in storage for quite some time. I contemplated putting it on Ebay but now I'm not sure I want to do that, because I love it. I'm afraid I'm going to start yet another collection. I do understand about the jacking up price thing on Ebay. I'm a buyer AND a seller and I don't like the way things have shifted on that site. If I did list it and did post it on this site, would people be offended?
hahaha...WOW... It's getting to be a crazy Hobby ain't it??? Play nyce...lol
If someone scores a terrific deal on an M90 or GF-9696, it wasn't because people didn't see it. It was because:
1) It was in crappy condition
2) The seller wasn't trustworthy
3) His description was too brief and lacked details
4) His photos sucked
5) He didn't respond to questions
6) The auction ended in the middle of the night, on a holiday, or during the Super Bowl
Whether or not it's posted on S2G isn't going to make a difference.
I have an Eaton Viking model SRC-7495 for sale, it does work, few scratches, I live in Toronto, Canada, if anyone is interested im asking $300-$350 obo, email me at tsejbuk@hotmail.com ...cheers!
Originally Posted by tomtom:
I have an Eaton Viking model SRC-7495 for sale, it does work, few scratches, I live in Toronto, Canada, if anyone is interested im asking $300-$350 obo, email me at
tsejbuk@hotmail.com ...cheers!
We Have the Trident CX-473F Version of Eaton Viking SRC-7495 here, bought a year ago this month.
Ours Just needs belts for the cassette deck - Still !
As this is a project on the far back burner 
p.s. Our's is not for sale just yet -maybe in the future - if times get more tougher..
Here is a video we found of this box -
Trident CX-473F Mono functionality Cassette Needs Belt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOg076smkEQ
Here is a picture taken just now - playing the radio...
full size pic here below
http://i53.tinypic.com/vnm3x2.jpg
3 year old thread! Awesome revival.
Well, zombie threads do 'live' forever. 
