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docs - 2011-08-03 06:46

 

Originally Posted by plop:

Well, zombie threads do 'live' forever.

 

radio.raheem - 2011-08-03 09:43

Dawn of the dead...1977 bless george a romero

chris69 - 2012-02-04 15:55

It doesn't make any difference at all. Any serious collector is like me and checks all the newly listed boombox auctions 24/7 anyway and there are tons of other collectors who don't belong to groups like this one at all too. We are only a small group here but there is alot of collectors who don't bother with groups.
 
 
Originally Posted by JT:
Apparently, there seems to be a division of thoughts on this site about posting links to other peoples' ebay auctions here. There is a group that believes that, by posting here we are causing prices to go up and another group that doesn't think this makes a difference at all.

Rather than type it all again, here is an extract from an M90 thread:

quote:
quote from bashngu:
OMG here we go again. For the love of god NOBODY is EVER going to get an EXCELLENT deal on an M90 on EBAY period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doesnt matter where you post it or dont post it. Like everybody who looks for boomboxes hasnt seen it?


my response: I respectfully disagree.

For example, what about Sinister's M-90 deal last week? If I'm not mistaken, that auction went unidentified here until Ford93 posted that there were 3 hours left in that auction. I had been watching that one as well, as I'm sure many of you were. It sold for just shy of $500, which I think we can all agree is a great price for that boombox.

And while the GF-9696Z is not considered to be at the same level as the mighty M-90, they routinely sell upwards of $300-500 in very good condition. I just bid on and won a very nice looking one yesterday for only $115. Granted the tape deck doesn't work, but it is still in very good shape and quite desirable. Had it been posted as general knowledge here, I firmly believe it would have had more bidders and gone for more money. When was the last time you saw one of those in good cosmetic shape go for less than $300 on ebay.usa?

So, there are two examples for you that are about as good as it gets. Two auctions that were not publicized here, and they ended well below what would be considered "market value."

The problem is, we'll never know for sure because we can't keep our mouths shut on this site when there's an M-90 out there.... (And I'll admit I've been guilty of this too).

I guarantee you there are plenty of people who monitor this site more than they necessarily surf the boombox section of eBay. Personally, I get burnt out on ebay and may go weeks not checking the BBox section, but I'm in here regularly.... and when I see a desirable auction listed here, I most definitely pop straight into ebay... And I am sure I am not the only one with some money to spend on boomboxes who does that. Sometimes, all it takes is one person with deeper pockets to to stay away from an auction for the other guy to get a good deal.

Why do you think pure sellers like that Vlad character sign up here? Many sign up just to post "hey, I've got this and that for sale"? Or to try to figure out what boxes are worth.
It's because they know that they have a focused group of Boombox junkies all in one place, many of which are willing to spend more than your average joe blow on boomboxes.

The bottom line is... hyping it up (or even just mentioning it) here is sure to jack up the price there.

Personally, I'd like to see a network of us engage in a massive PM thread that at least takes away site lurkers ability to view our discussions... Where we can put "dibs" on an auction amongst ourselves and at least try to keep from overbidding each other.


So, I think my position and argument is pretty clear, but I'd love to hear what the rest of you think?

jt

 

davebush - 2012-02-05 02:37

the way i see it is that boomers are antique`s and as a general rule of thumb, antiques go up in value........

 

If there was a box for sale and i couldnt afford it, i wouldnt buy it..............simple

 

I also check ebay on a very regular basis .........

 

I think we can all asume that this business is not a closed book...........unless your selling to a friend or collector, you would probably like to get he most money out of it......therefore ebay is a tool to do exactly that.........

chris69 - 2012-02-05 05:54

I do agree except that boombox's are far from being antiques. They are only "vintage" at best. Antiques are 100+ years old and older. It's hard to say if the value will always go up because with most antiques and collectibles the value doesn't change alot unless some even occurs to effect the value. Just an example but say there was a big boombox convention and there was a tornado,hurricane or whatever and most were destroyed. The value would rise considerably. If a huge warehouse was discover full of NOS new old stock boombox's the value would drop. 
 
riginally Posted by davebush:

the way i see it is that boomers are antique`s and as a general rule of thumb, antiques go up in value........

 

If there was a box for sale and i couldnt afford it, i wouldnt buy it..............simple

 

I also check ebay on a very regular basis .........

 

I think we can all asume that this business is not a closed book...........unless your selling to a friend or collector, you would probably like to get he most money out of it......therefore ebay is a tool to do exactly that.........

 

davebush - 2012-02-05 09:25

point taken but as probably 99% of the population dont know the value of these things and take them to landfill......plus..........more people starting to collect due to the availability of them through sites like graiglist and ebay, there will be some sort of a shortage so i would asume the harder they are to get, the more valuable they will become

chris69 - 2012-02-10 03:04

I agree completely Dave. We are already seeing a big difference compared to just a few years ago on sites like ebay. There are alot less than there were for sure. Tons of new junk are now showing up using the keywords "boombox" or "ghetto blaster" and the asking prices are getting alot higher too.
I remember the first year i joined ebay and find not one but two rare GOLD Conion C100F boomboxes in one week and they were the real thing too not some painted fake version.
 
 
Originally Posted by davebush:

point taken but as probably 99% of the population dont know the value of these things and take them to landfill......plus..........more people starting to collect due to the availability of them through sites like graiglist and ebay, there will be some sort of a shortage so i would asume the harder they are to get, the more valuable they will become

 

bluazur - 2012-04-05 22:25

Any collectible '79-'82 boombox listed for sale in 2012 is nothing more than like visiting a junk yard for a vehicle of a simular year.All collectible ebay boxes have been flipped dozens of times and all valuable parts have been robbed by collectors long ago,making them sucker bait.Most forums hype them so noobs fall into the trap to buy worthless garbage.If your want to collect vintage boomboxes you are 20 years too late,all the top shelf boxes are long gone and in the hands of collectors who will only sell for mega profit to fools dumb enough to buy them.

redbenjoe - 2012-04-05 22:59

i have bought/won a few hundred boxes over the past 10 years.

NONE had any valuable parts robbed-

most all were bought at prices consistent with what they could be sold

for -- break even - today.

retrodos - 2012-04-05 23:00

Originally Posted by bluazur:

Any collectible '79-'82 boombox listed for sale in 2012 is nothing more than like visiting a junk yard for a vehicle of a simular year.All collectible ebay boxes have been flipped dozens of times and all valuable parts have been robbed by collectors long ago,making them sucker bait.Most forums hype them so noobs fall into the trap to buy worthless garbage.If your want to collect vintage boomboxes you are 20 years too late,all the top shelf boxes are long gone and in the hands of collectors who will only sell for mega profit to fools dumb enough to buy them.

Most of the AS-IS ones are like that, as some will pull the good parts and install bad parts, or a failed repair attempt and then sell it as a AS-IS unit, or damage and worn out to the point of not being worth the time to restore. I stop buying these for that very reason.

 

Only way you are going to get a deal on these if you buy them local and happen to find in a trade meet, garage sale, or thriftstore by chance. As I find them from time to time, but is getting harder, as more people know what they are worth. 

 

The only thing I don't agree with you on is the "Most forums hype them", as the forums have nothing to do with the transaction and don't promote them in anyway, it's the sellers themseft that do.

 

Just have to be smart in what you buy and have alot of patient, I found NIB's for cheap, most of the time locally and recently, due to I wait, best one I found were local. Just last week at a pawnshop found one JVC m70 sitting on a high shelf next to some tube radios and a Panasonic 7400 boombox with 8 track stereo recorder, pretty much in great condition, but dusty, due to noone clean them for years for $100 bucks for both, as I ask the owner and he said they use to be for display, but if you have a 100 bucks you can get them. What funny is never notice them as they were far back and high up. Pretty much on eBay you are going to get junk, unless you are willing to pay a collectors price for a restored one, not going to give you the cheap price after restoring it, as most are going to need, as belts, capacitors go bad and various other parts, plus the time and effort to clean them and align tuner, as they drift, check playback speed and align head azimuth and cost of parts. What am I going to do give it to you at cost? Then what would be the point?

 

Yes their are some sellers that will try to rip people off and try to sell a broken box for top dollar. Have a simple solution to problem? Don't buy it!! Most those auctions are fake as sellers bid on their own stuff to bid up the prices, to make it look as it was going for that price, when it not. Or worst one is the dishonest buyer as I had people bid up stuff on purpose so their item sells, this happen for a walkman I sold but had to list twice, due to buyer never paided and notice he sold one of that same model. Well his account is history now also.

 

metad - 2012-04-06 04:09

Originally Posted by bluazur:

Most forums hype them so noobs fall into the trap to buy worthless garbage.

 

 

who will only sell for mega profit to fools dumb enough to buy them.

I think you're right, but those sellers will defend themselves

 

There are true collectors on boombox forums, and of course those - so called "collectors", but in fact they are plain investors/sellers, all they do - collect, then hype on the forums, then sell their beauties. They usually speak a lot just to make their items more desirable and valuable, for those not too smart buyers.

 

Even it's getting harder to find boxes in the wild - it's the best solution, and fun

brutus442 - 2012-04-06 06:23

 

 

Even it's getting harder to find boxes in the wild - it's the best solution, and fun


You're right Metad. Finding "in the wild" is the best. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. That's how I found my M90 index.php?board_oid=193392314111653483&content_oid=258979670055329176

 

It's rare I admit, but I'll give my friends here another little tip. Senior's homes. A lot of seniors group homes have garage sales to raise money for trips etc. Some gem boxes can be found (along with many stinkers)

 

Most of the residents still use tapes and some have boomboxes because you can't keep stereo's. Also the staff use these boxes for activities, but periodically they sell them looking for an upgrade.

 

The best one I ever saw was a JVC 838 at one of these sales...but it was in ROUGH condition (no door, knobs missing, paint drips..)

 

The best advice is stick to these forums, and the reputable members when dealing with Ebay.

metad - 2012-04-06 13:42

Yes Brutus, finding in the wild is a great excitement and fun, especially the days, when you didn't expect to find, nothing compares to it

reli - 2012-04-06 21:08

Originally Posted by bluazur:

Any collectible '79-'82 boombox listed for sale in 2012 is nothing more than like visiting a junk yard for a vehicle of a simular year.All collectible ebay boxes have been flipped dozens of times and all valuable parts have been robbed by collectors long ago,making them sucker bait.Most forums hype them so noobs fall into the trap to buy worthless garbage.If your want to collect vintage boomboxes you are 20 years too late,all the top shelf boxes are long gone and in the hands of collectors who will only sell for mega profit to fools dumb enough to buy them.

 

Hmm, I guess that explains the mint M9994 I purchased last November on Ebay, with its original microphones still wrapped.  Bought it for 275 shipped from a guy in Florida, because I called him within hours of his listing it and agreed upon a B.I.N. price.  OK, so 275 is more than you would pay in the wild, but I'm happy with it because if I were to put it back on Ebay I'm pretty sure I could get 800 or more for it.  You would think it's new.  No scratches, dents, stains, or operational faults.

 

And I'm not sure why you think most boxes have parts stripped out of them.  That doesn't happen very often.  Most people don't have a duplicate box which would motivate them to steal parts for it.  And most people don't take apart electronics.  They just don't care enough to spend time doing that.

 

And for you guys dissing on Ebay because you supposedly get all your boxes cheaply at pawn shops or yard sales.......That's fine if it works for you, but it doesn't for everyone.  I personally don't feel like driving to a bunch of shops and sales just in case they happen to have a boombox (most of which would be eggs anyway).   OK, maybe once in awhile I might find an M70 or Lasonic since those were manufactured in great quantities, but I am more interested in rare boxes. 

retrodos - 2012-04-06 22:22

Originally Posted by Reli:
Originally Posted by bluazur:

Any collectible '79-'82 boombox listed for sale in 2012 is nothing more than like visiting a junk yard for a vehicle of a simular year.All collectible ebay boxes have been flipped dozens of times and all valuable parts have been robbed by collectors long ago,making them sucker bait.Most forums hype them so noobs fall into the trap to buy worthless garbage.If your want to collect vintage boomboxes you are 20 years too late,all the top shelf boxes are long gone and in the hands of collectors who will only sell for mega profit to fools dumb enough to buy them.

And for you guys dissing on Ebay because you supposedly get all your boxes cheaply at pawn shops or yard sales.......That's fine if it works for you, but it doesn't for everyone.  I personally don't feel like driving to a bunch of shops and sales just in case they happen to have a boombox (most of which would be eggs anyway).   OK, maybe once in awhile I might find an M70 or Lasonic since those were manufactured in great quantities, but I am more interested in rare boxes. 


You don't just drive around, you make friends in other area and look out for them, I have people in different states that watch out for the stuff, that have no interest in boxes or walkmans, but may collect video games, or other items, so I help them get rare games, consoles, or what ever else they want, that I have no interest or have one already and in return they look for rare boxes and walkmans, cctv, IT equipments, or highend audio found a nakamichi dragon from newyork for only $40 buck plus shipping and found and sold so many other 3 head decks that way, it well worth it. One of the better find was a NIB Conion C-F100 from a random member on youtube and he email me, never knew about it, as he saw I fix and deal with retro electronics and wonder if I was interested in buying it. So took the risk and paid $450 cashier check and actually received the box. Most of the stuff I don't even find in my area.

 

I have better luck with youtube and friends, or just plain asking people and craigslist then eBay, especially when it come to prices, not to say you won't get lucky with eBay ethier, as I found some of my NIB's over the years from eBay. But then again go to auctions, lot auctions and bank liquidation auctions, all the time for other stuff and companies, so is no big deal to me, it what I do. But then again I don't just collect boxes, or walkmans, but also collect 70's Pioneer receivers,  rare formats, laserdiscs players, micromv camcorder, spy Nagra reel to reel recorder, ultra small microcassette recorders or stereo recorders and portable tv's, like the Panasonic CT-101 NIB, also from a youtube member.

retrodos - 2012-04-06 23:09

Originally Posted by Reli:
Originally Posted by bluazur:

Any collectible '79-'82 boombox listed for sale in 2012 is nothing more than like visiting a junk yard for a vehicle of a simular year.All collectible ebay boxes have been flipped dozens of times and all valuable parts have been robbed by collectors long ago,making them sucker bait.Most forums hype them so noobs fall into the trap to buy worthless garbage.If your want to collect vintage boomboxes you are 20 years too late,all the top shelf boxes are long gone and in the hands of collectors who will only sell for mega profit to fools dumb enough to buy them.

 

 And I'm not sure why you think most boxes have parts stripped out of them.  That doesn't happen very often.  Most people don't have a duplicate box which would motivate them to steal parts for it.  And most people don't take apart electronics.  They just don't care enough to spend time doing that.

  


AS-IS boomboxes not so much a issue have been burned once or so on a box, mostly due to poor shipping, but no big deal. But walkmans almost every AS-IS is junk, people crap repair attempts mostly, even had some were parts were completely missing not once but a few times. Most regular, or local people don't care enough to take them apart, but these bigger sellers do, then sell when they screw up the repair. Had to open up cases and left 5 negative in one month alone for this issue. 

reli - 2012-04-07 08:32

Originally Posted by retrodos:


AS-IS boomboxes not so much a issue have been burned once or so on a box, mostly due to poor shipping, but no big deal. But walkmans almost every AS-IS is junk, people crap repair attempts mostly, even had some were parts were completely missing not once but a few times. Most regular, or local people don't care enough to take them apart, but these bigger sellers do, then sell when they screw up the repair. Had to open up cases and left 5 negative in one month alone for this issue. 

I think that's because the percentage of walkman sellers who are collectors is higher than the percentage of boombox sellers who are collectors.  Therefore, a lot of the walkman guys attempt repairs, because they know there are other walkman collectors who will pay good money for a walkman.  In fact I recall one walkman seller Mediterrano71, who was unmasked on this forum for being a liar and selling walkmans that had been damaged or bad repair attempts.  He changed his ebay username many times, so I'm sure he is still out there.

brutus442 - 2012-04-07 14:36

You don't just drive around, you make friends in other area and look out for them, I have people in different states that watch out for the stuff, that have no interest in boxes or walkmans, but may collect video games, or other items, so I help them get rare games, consoles, or what ever else they want, that I have no interest or have one already and in return they look for rare boxes and walkmans, cctv, IT equipments
 
That's how I do it. I network with others , find out what they need and keep an eye out. You'd be suprised how often I find vintage cameras for one friend. He in turn knows I have a weakness for the boombox
 
It's a symbiotic relationship.....
 
P.S...If he'd only find a minty Pioneer SK-95 for me....

 

mraiwa1000 - 2012-04-11 15:56

Originally Posted by JT:
Well, DM4U, we all know you are an "exceptional" character... Thanks for actually helping me make my point to a degree.

Who the he11 is James, anyway? Is that you?

As for 9696 motor in the auction I won, I am pretty sure its the same one that is used in the 9191, 9292 and the 9494. Shouldn't be too difficult to find from a parts box if it does actually turn out to be the case that it is indeed missing. Based on the fact that the tag in the pic just says "cassette does not work" and the fact that the seller is not an electronics specialist, I have a strong feeling that info may be incorrect, anyway.

Also, I consulted with approx. 20 other members from this site via PM before I bid on that GF-9696. I'm not worried.

But, consider this... Had you been in touch with other people from this site regarding that M90 auction via PM, maybe you and other members from the site would not have bid against each other... and you might have actually won that auction for less than what Sinister bid???

We'll never know...

And, thanks to your posting the details, it stands to reason that because Ford93 posted the auction, Sinister found out about it and you lost out in the closing moments. See, you just made my point!!!

James is the guy who made the website.