Look at this seller on Ebay uk Ebay UK , he nowhere mention that this box is working on japanese fm 76-90 Mhz.
What will you do with this boombox? Only cassette playng?

I might sound stupid, but I never even thought of that!


Nice catch.

Johnny

Well, to be fair.....


This item is for sale from a seller in Japan. Victor is the Japanese domestic brand of JVC, and at that time FM there was 76-90 on the dial. Not sure if that has changed by now.


I don't think he's trying to intentionally deceive anyone, but if you don't see the dial in that picture you might end up surprised if you aren't aware.


Price isn't bad, just wish it wasn't so dinged up cosmetically. It's one of the few boomboxes that I would like to have in a Japanese domestic version.

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Look at this seller on Ebay uk Ebay UK , he nowhere mention that this box is working on japanese fm 76-90 Mhz.
What will you do with this boombox? Only cassette playng? No No

There are FM converters, which can expand FM range.

thats interesting --can you post an FM converter link --or any information --thanks

http://www.catronics.com.au/fmconverter.html - I think, it is overpiced - the cost is AUS$55.00, including delivery, to anywhere in the world.

http://www.obihod.ru/vcd-1841/catalog.html - Russian site, the cost is 131 roubles (russian currency), which about ~$5 USD (without delivery)

amazing -- thanks alot

i have a telfunken studio --that goes only up to 104 --the tuner on it is not working that well anyway --
do you think this is the correct solution?

theoretically - it is correct

I can get some at at cost from work..

quote:

Originally posted by Panasonic Fan:
Well, to be fair.....


This item is for sale from a seller in Japan. Victor is the Japanese domestic brand of JVC, and at that time FM there was 76-90 on the dial. Not sure if that has changed by now.


I don't think he's trying to intentionally deceive anyone, but if you don't see the dial in that picture you might end up surprised if you aren't aware.


Price isn't bad, just wish it wasn't so dinged up cosmetically. It's one of the few boomboxes that I would like to have in a Japanese domestic version.

Yes for you (only?), what with the other buyers who don't know this detail for the radio? The seller must say that fact.

the huge pictures that clearly show the f.m band width are kinda a give away , right ?

also not a u.k seller . .

Hey guys, maybe that seller is yours some kind of relative, since you defend them from my accusation.

Something is wrong with the seller, on japanese yahoo this kind of boxes is quite cheaper then similar on ebay.uk.
Obviously he try to cheating someone, because he don't put the differences in description of the FM/AM reception for japan and the rest of the world.
Many people don't know for that.
We know (are we? just see the comment of "johnnygto" upper) for that here in our community.
Still, I'm in the right.

I do not defend him/her,I will not,no.
Nevertheless:
That`s really a bean counting.
I would NEVER buy a unit from someone,I did not read the his/her ratings before.

facts are here:
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1.What is in title :Japan Victor.
2.His/her locality is known:doubtless Japan.
3.What does he/she send mostly :Japanese goods.
4.what is to see on the pictures :Japanese radio.
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I can not insinuate or imply him/her done anything wrong,there`s no intentional deceit.

If you could make him a reproach then maybe one of his carelessness ....

ON THE OTHER HAND:
IF you sell something on ebay,be honest, would you write in your decription more than usual? For example if "this is a product from this country for that country"?







So for me the seller is absoloutely ok.
Also his ratings.
Ok, a parcel was lost do spain,could happen.

quoted(originally by tony):
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Look at this seller on Ebay uk ,
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nah :it`s NOT listed on ebay uk.
just to find if you search for international sellers.

Yes I'm wrong, I meaning on this:



I found that international seller(in this case that is worst) under eBay.uk

true. that could irritate

I forget this: I've send a question about a FM reception to that seller and we will see how will answer on that.


Than I will post here a picture capture of question and answer.

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Originally posted by devol-toni:
Hey guys, maybe that seller is yours some kind of relative, since you defend them from my accusation.

Something is wrong with the seller, on japanese yahoo this kind of boxes is quite cheaper then similar on ebay.uk.
Obviously he try to cheating someone, because he don't put the differences in description of the FM/AM reception for japan and the rest of the world.
Many people don't know for that.
We know (are we? just see the comment of "johnnygto" upper) for that here in our community.
Still, I'm in the right.

dude you gotta be trippin. . . you have your opinion and I have mine . . end of . .

Ok people, enough of this, obviously you'we relative connection with this seller


Seriously, I didn't mean that this will go so far.

Only I think about this situation,imagine:
-I'm not the member of any forum like our or similarly,
-I like that box very much,
-I don't know almost nothing about the radio reception, 100/110/220 volts supply, etc.,
-I just want to buying that beautiful boombox.
-I'm gonna arranged all transfer (money and box).
-I will receiving the box after maybe longest waiting with no problems like scratches, breaking a part, or even completely lost during under way.
-Now I,m happy and I finally get to open the package............


What will I find there? Something what is need the couple of adapters - this is what I'm talking about. Now the seller is ok, I'm not ok, I'm stupid.
He must tell me that details and let me to make a choice: I will buing the box or not.
On this way I don't have the chance to make the choice.
All of this only for
""I have checked FM (76 - 90 Hz) -AM Radio TAPE / LINE IN, BASS, TREBLE/ VOLUME / BALANCE RIGHT LEFT are working condition!!!""
instead
""I have checked FM-AM Radio TAPE / LINE IN, BASS, TREBLE/ VOLUME / BALANCE RIGHT LEFT are working condition!!!"" in description.

That's all.

Where are you baby boomer?

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Originally posted by devol-toni:
Where are you baby boomer?

I'm here!

Devol, I did post a response to this subject earlier, but it was long-winded, and I wasn't sure I should get involved in this discussion. So, after re-reading my post a few times, I changed my mind and deleted it. But, since you've asked, here is what I posted.

What I said was that I thought you were too harsh on this Japanese seller. You are not, as you say, "in the right." I see no evidence that this seller is trying to cheat anyone. (I also think it was unfair of you to say that, because he defended the seller, Royal must be "some kind of relative.")

A seller in Japan, selling a Japanese domestic boombox, would be no more likely to think of mentioning the Japanese FM band frequencies than I would think to mention that the FM band in the USA is 88-108MHz. Besides, the FM band on his Victor boombox is clearly visible in his first photo. Enlarge it, and you will see.

While I understand your frustration in not realizing that the Japanese FM band was shorter than others, I would not blame the seller, and I certainly wouldn't call him a liar! Just as I wouldn't call a seller of old radios in an eastern bloc country a liar if he failed to mention that FM where he lived once was 63-74MHz. (I have bought several of these units, the last one from Hungary.) I would assume that it was my responsibility as a buyer of old radios to know what I was buying before I made a commitment to buy it.

Defects are another thing. I believe sellers should disclose all defects. However, even then, I realize that not all sellers are electronics specialists (many are just folks reselling stuff they've stumbled on at estate sales), and they wouldn't know a defect if it hit them in the face. However, my experience is that most sellers do know what they're selling, and often "play dumb" when it comes to disclosing defects. There is no excuse for that. It is dishonest. In the church, it's called a "sin of omission," rather than a "sin of commission." But a 76-90MHz FM band is not a defect.

As Jens pointed out, this seller is not just selling on eBay-UK. He lives in Japan and sells from Japan. His items show up on ALL eBays around the world because he has indiciated to eBay that he is willing to ship internationally.

So few sellers from Japan ship internationally (most seem to sell only Yahoo Japan, and will not send items out of the country), that I am grateful when ANY Japanese seller makes his items available worldwide. Japanese domestic boomboxes are often quite unique (some even have names!) and different from their world-cousins, and, because of that, they are lots of fun to own! (If you look, you'll notice that some Japan domestic boxes even have "full" FM bands that go all the way from 76 to 108MHz. This is for two reasons: 1] they are convenient for Japanese citizens who travel; 2] the audio from three Japanese TV channels is located between 90 and 108MHz.)

If you buy a Japanese domestic unit, you should be buying it because it is unique... not because you want an ordinary radio to listen to every day. If you want an M-70 for everyday radio listening, then you should buy one of the many JVC (not Victor, which is the name JVC only uses in Japan) M-70's that come up on eBay worldwide every week!

I also wanted you to be aware, if you weren't already, that the voltage on a Japanese domestic box is 100v. That is also visible in a photo by this seller, but isn't mentioned specifically in his description (that I can see). If you are in Europe, where the voltage is 220v., you will need a step-down transformer. The seller doesn't say that, either. He assumes you know it.

In the USA and Canada, there are a number of radio stations broadcasting between 88-90MHz... mainly public radio and college radio (though in Canada, commercial radio stations use those frequencies). I don't know about Europe, but I assume there are a few stations broadcasting on those frequencies there, too. So... when you buy a Japanese domestic radio, the number of radio stations you can pick up will be limited, but you should be able to receive some stations.

One final thought... It is my experience that Japanese sellers are some of the most honest, trustworthy and accomodating in the world. Not only do they sincerely try to please their customers, but they often wrap their items beautifully and carefully. Sometimes they even send along an extra little "gifto." Yes, there is always the chance something could go wrong, but I would never hesitate to buy from a Japanese seller, especially one with a good feedback rating.

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Originally posted by devol-toni:

quote:

Originally posted by Panasonic Fan:
Well, to be fair.....


This item is for sale from a seller in Japan. Victor is the Japanese domestic brand of JVC, and at that time FM there was 76-90 on the dial. Not sure if that has changed by now.


I don't think he's trying to intentionally deceive anyone, but if you don't see the dial in that picture you might end up surprised if you aren't aware.


Price isn't bad, just wish it wasn't so dinged up cosmetically. It's one of the few boomboxes that I would like to have in a Japanese domestic version.

Yes for you (only?), what with the other buyers who don't know this detail for the radio? The seller must say that fact.

Not really. The auction picture with the tuner lit up clearly shows the majority of the FM band. The seller has provided clear pictures of the item, which clearly shows the tuner range for FM.

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Originally posted by devol-toni:
Ok people, enough of this, obviously you'we relative connection with this seller Laugh Out Loud


Seriously, I didn't mean that this will go so far.

Only I think about this situation,imagine:
-I'm not the member of any forum like our or similarly,
-I like that box very much,
-I don't know almost nothing about the radio reception, 100/110/220 volts supply, etc.,
-I just want to buying that beautiful boombox.
-I'm gonna arranged all transfer (money and box).
-I will receiving the box after maybe longest waiting with no problems like scratches, breaking a part, or even completely lost during under way.
-Now I,m happy and I finally get to open the package............


What will I find there? Something what is need the couple of adapters - this is what I'm talking about. Now the seller is ok, I'm not ok, I'm stupid.
He must tell me that details and let me to make a choice: I will buing the box or not.
On this way I don't have the chance to make the choice.
All of this only for
""I have checked FM (76 - 90 Hz) -AM Radio TAPE / LINE IN, BASS, TREBLE/ VOLUME / BALANCE RIGHT LEFT are working condition!!!""
instead
""I have checked FM-AM Radio TAPE / LINE IN, BASS, TREBLE/ VOLUME / BALANCE RIGHT LEFT are working condition!!!"" in description.

That's all. Smile

Where are you baby boomer?

So, why aren't you also complaining about the AM band range not being listed? It could also be different than your country.


Your situation list above, absolves you of any responsibility as a buyer to ask questions or do research on the item you are serious about purchasing.

Here is a link I found on the first page of results at Google:

Video Topaz


Not only does it specifically call out 76-90 as the FM range for that model, it also lists many other Victor models with the same range. All with pictures that display it.

At that point, if you're not sure, it's time to ask the seller a question.



I understand your frustration, as you initially didn't see it at first glance, but turning it into accusing the seller of lying or intentionally deceiving you or any other potential worldwide buyer just doesn't seem right.


It's a beautiful radio. If you want a better FM range, the non-domestic RC-M70 models all come with 88-108 for FM.


Here is a picture from a Yahoo auction, better cosmetically:




Link

devol-toni, if you want this - take it!
It is on Yahoo auctions: ¥ 1 000 ($ 11.50) in fully working order.

quote:

Originally posted by Panasonic Fan:
So, why aren't you also complaining about the AM band range not being listed? It could also be different than your country.

Funny you should mention that. The first time I bought a digital tuning radio from Europe, I had no idea that AM station frequencies were in 9KHz steps, and not 10KHz steps, as they are in North America. So long as I was using an analog tuning dial, it never mattered, because analog tuners are continuous.

However, with a digital tuner, the steps are preset: 549, 558, 567 etc. Therefore, the only AM frequencies that mattered in the USA were those where the 9KHz step system "overlapped" with the 10KHz system: 540, 630, 720, 810, 900, 990, 1080, 1170, 1260, 1350, 1440 and 1530. Unfortunately, where I lived, there were radio stations broadcasting on only two of those frequencies. I was screwed!

And yet, I didn't blame the seller, the radio manufacturer, the FCC, or the European Union. I blamed myself... for not knowing it. But I still enjoyed owning the radio (a Thomson), which was unique looking and unavailable in the USA.

Hey guys , as I see, you don't understand the point.

I have not problem with this seller,
I have enough knowledge about boxes and that box is won't work in my country, so I won't buy that box.
The end.

He don't cheating, but if some buyer (who knows nothing about the boxes) get a feeling that is seduced after buying the box,
who care, it's important that the seller is not lying, just don't tell everything.

Remember,....You knows almost everything about boomboxes and you know what will be the your question about the certain box for the seller.
Many people don't know what to be a question.

Example:
Ask in the neighborhood some house wife when/if she buying the radio for listening a music in the kitchen, what will be hers question about the compatibility of the radio?
He will ask nothing about that, she will ask probably about how to put the main cord and how to find the radio stations, about the volume, etc.

What do you think now?

quote:

Hey guys , as I see, you don't understand the point.I have not problem with this seller

You had -otherwise the whole thread is completely a waste.

quote:

Example:
Ask in the neighborhood some house wife when/if she buying the radio for listening a music in the kitchen, what will be hers question about the compatibility of the radio?
He will ask nothing about that, she will ask probably about how to put the main cord and how to find the radio stations, about the volume, etc.
What do you think now?

HAHAHAHA!
1.it`s not realistic.imho.
2.This is a complete different interrogation
And has nothing to do with this thread`s
content -please start a new thread about the neighborhood housewife`s intention!
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