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1. Product review - Pre-1981 walkmans

autoreverser - 2016-02-03 23:56

AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

...or CONION-boxes ;-)

lapis - 2016-02-04 01:32

AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

These are not gimmicks, the JVC is not the gimmick unlike Sony TPS-L2.

ao - 2016-02-04 01:45

Lapis posted:
AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

These are not gimmicks, the JVC is not the gimmick unlike Sony TPS-L2.

Throw them at eachother repeatedly and the Sony will win.

 

lapis - 2016-02-04 03:59

AO posted:
Lapis posted:
AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

These are not gimmicks, the JVC is not the gimmick unlike Sony TPS-L2.

Throw them at eachother repeatedly and the Sony will win.

Does the Sony have a tape select? No. The JVC? Yes.

Lots of people mistake tape select as tone select or Dolby for some reasons.

 

ao - 2016-02-04 05:08

Lapis posted:
AO posted:
Lapis posted:
AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

These are not gimmicks, the JVC is not the gimmick unlike Sony TPS-L2.

Throw them at eachother repeatedly and the Sony will win.

Does the Sony have a tape select? No. The JVC? Yes.

Lots of people mistake tape select as tone select or Dolby for some reasons.

 

You're completely missing the point, the Sony was manufactured in 1979, long, long before any of these features were available for walkmans.  By your logic this means it's the most inferior walkman ever.

I don't think anybody has ever confused tape select for tone or dolby.  I think you need to do some research.

lapis - 2016-02-04 05:29

AO posted:
Lapis posted:
AO posted:
Lapis posted:
AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

These are not gimmicks, the JVC is not the gimmick unlike Sony TPS-L2.

Throw them at eachother repeatedly and the Sony will win.

Does the Sony have a tape select? No. The JVC? Yes.

Lots of people mistake tape select as tone select or Dolby for some reasons.

 

You're completely missing the point, the Sony was manufactured in 1979, long, long before any of these features were available for walkmans.  By your logic this means it's the most inferior walkman ever.

I don't think anybody has ever confused tape select for tone or dolby.  I think you need to do some research.

Again, you misunderstood. I never said Tps-L2 is an inferior player.

 

PS: The TPS-L2 does not have a tape select , people will just use tone to compensate slightly, especially with Dolby NR. The WM-2's manual did not state much about tape select too.

isolator42 - 2016-02-04 05:32

I'm going to chime in here.
I'm fairly sure having looked at boombox & walkman circuitry in the past, that a 'Metal' playback switch is nothing more than a low pass filter, i.e. a tone switch that reduces the highs by a specific level. 

By this reckoning, the Panasonic RQ-J9 has an, albeit cleverly labelled, three stage tone control. I would regard this as typical of the ingenuity of the time.

Sure, for recording, a Metal switch needs to alter the recording bias & is therefore a more electrically complicated affair. 
As an aside, the Hitachi 3D7 has a Metal switch that only works for recording. That is, you could record a Metal tape with the correct bias, but that switch did nothing during playback.

lapis - 2016-02-04 05:35

And your point is?

A four stage tape/tone switch is better than three stage. Where is the individual Normal Low and Metal High? Why did they have to function them the same? If they at least have a four stage switch, (NH, NL, MH, ML) they can at least be comparable to the Sharp player on this topic (both have tone and tape, one's design is combined, one's design is separated, Panasonic and Sharp respectively).

and besides, it is more complex than a so-called simple low pass filter.

isolator42 - 2016-02-05 06:35

Sure, if you say so.

ball000 - 2016-02-16 11:09

AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

I do not agree that Citroën means gimmicks, imho it often has meant - and still means if you know how to choose - quality indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6CS9eBn0O8

ao - 2016-02-16 12:07

Ball000 posted:
AO posted:
Lapis posted:

I would get the JVC because of the audio focused things like tape switch, tone switch and dolby/anrs switch. If the Panasonic RQ-J9 have a four position as said before, it will be on par with the Sharp in this case or even the JVC but without the Dolby ANRS.

As Ive said before, gimmicks don't mean quality.   Look at Citroen cars.

I do not agree that Citroën means gimmicks, imho it often has meant - and still means if you know how to choose - quality indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6CS9eBn0O8

You've clearly never owned a C4 Picasso

ball000 - 2016-02-16 12:38

I never chose a C4 Picasso indeed, not quite what I call a Citroën ;-)